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[DRGW] Walthers HO Passenger cars rgsteve@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-20 01:21:53
[DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars James Petro jpetro328@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-20 21:16:34
[DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars dave@cimmarondesign.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-21 16:17:52
[DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars Steven Seguine rgsteve@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-21 18:16:43
[DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars James Petro jpetro328@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-21 15:16:58
Re: [DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars Jim Griffin drgwlpd@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-22 14:11:06
Re: [DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars jimfitch3@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-22 14:42:34
Re: [DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars Paul Harrington bikesnrails@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-23 00:01:46
[DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars James Petro jpetro328@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-22 19:05:37
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Re: [DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars Xander van Breda avbreda@googlemail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-28 07:45:17
Re: [DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars Jim Griffin drgwlpd@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-05-29 20:07:16
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From: Jim Griffin drgwlpd@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...)
Date: 2017-05-29 20:07:16
Subject: Re: [DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars

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Hi Xander-
Looks like I've tried nearly all the same things, except for the long-shank=
couplers. =C2=A0I guess I just need to persist a bit more in finding the s=
pecific solutions to their operating "problems". =C2=A0The thing is, once y=
ou identify an issue, you have to fix it in 4 places on each car! =C2=A0I g=
uess I shoulda been less ambitious in my layout design... =C2=A0 :-)
-Jim

From: "Xander van Breda avbreda@googlemail.c... [DRGW]" <DRGW@yahoo.r...=
ups.com>
To: DRGW@yahoogroups.c...=20
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars
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=C2=A0 Hi Jim,
I have a 7 car Walthers D&RGW Prospector, including the baggage in front. I=
have two helixes and three hidden staging yards. In one of the staging yar=
ds the entry has a 19", 3% curve entry out of sight, and the one hidden hel=
ix also has a 19" radius. Obvious the coaches didn't like this, however it =
is working flawlessly now after the following modifications:1. I replaced t=
he couplers with long shank Kadees, setting the diaphragms 1mm apart when s=
trung out (when slack is taken up it is tight). I can live with that as a c=
ompromise, and it really does not draw the eye to it.=C2=A02. I had to trim=
the centre sill significantly to accommodate truck swing at all angles. Th=
e modification is not visible at all when the coach is on the tracks. There=
are also some other small protrusions that has to be trimmed under the flo=
or. Work in small increments, test, some more trimmings, test. Patience, pa=
tience and new sharp blades....3. There were some small aspects trimmed on =
the inside of the trucks to further improve truck swing. The modification i=
s not visible at all when the coach is on the tracks.4. I had to add some w=
eight to the baggage car in front to improve reliability5. Operating consid=
erations: Getting in and out of that 19", 3% hidden curve at staging (tunne=
l entry) requires slow train orders, which actually add to operating intere=
st.
After all above, I can truly say that the train tracks very well, and save =
for the 1mm gap between diaphragms when strung out, none of the modificatio=
ns are visible during normal operations.
I also have one question though: How do one get these roofs off without dam=
aging anything in order to detail the insides of the coaches?
RegardsXander van Breda
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Jim Griffin drgwlpd@yahoo.c... [DRGW] <DRGW=
@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 Steve-
<snip>

I will offer the following comment: I've had a great deal of trouble with o=
perating the Walthers passenger cars.=C2=A0 Admittedly I have curves down t=
o 24" and a lot of 2% grades, but it seems like I have an inordinate amount=
of trouble keeping them on the rails.=C2=A0 I've tried filing down this an=
d trimming off that, lubricating the other thing, and in general made lots =
and lots of test runs.=C2=A0 They just seem finicky.=C2=A0 Maybe I need to =
add a pound of slag for weight or something.=C2=A0 I mean, I even got the B=
LI cars to work *eventually*, but the Walthers cars make every run of the P=
rospector to be a stress-filled event.=C2=A0 If anybody has discovered the =
magic bullet for this problem, I'm listening!

-Jim Griffin

From: "James Petro jpetro328@gmail.c... [DRGW]" <DRGW@yahoogroups.c...>
To: DRGW@yahoogroups.c...=20
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:02 PM
Subject: [DRGW] Re: Walthers HO Passenger cars
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=C2=A0 Steve,=C2=A0 Are you aware of the walthers C&O lounge that the D&G=
RW bought, Castle Gate?=C2=A0 It is walthers 920-9365, however it is out of=
stock, you might find it somewhere, you would have to paint it.=C2=A0 I wi=
ll try to post a photo.Jim PetroReno

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<div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5739">Hi Jim,<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5841"><br clear="none"></div><div>I have a 7 car Walthers D&amp;RGW Prospector, including the baggage in front. I have two helixes and three hidden staging yards. In one of the staging yards the entry has a 19", 3% curve entry out of sight, and the one hidden helix also has a 19" radius. Obvious the coaches didn't like this, however it is working flawlessly now after the following modifications:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5840">1. I replaced the couplers with long shank Kadees, setting the diaphragms 1mm apart when strung out (when slack is taken up it is tight). I can live with that as a compromise, and it really does not draw the eye to it.&nbsp;</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5749">2. I had to trim the centre sill significantly to accommodate truck swing at all angles. The modification is not visible at all when the coach is on the tracks. There are also some other small protrusions that has to be trimmed under the floor. Work in small increments, test, some more trimmings, test. Patience, patience and new sharp blades....</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5745">3. There were some small aspects trimmed on the inside of the trucks to further improve truck swing. The modification is not visible at all when the coach is on the tracks.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5839">4. I had to add some weight to the baggage car in front to improve reliability</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5738">5. Operating considerations: Getting in and out of that 19", 3% hidden curve at staging (tunnel entry) requires slow train orders, which actually add to operating interest.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>After all above, I can truly say that the train tracks very well, and save for the 1mm gap between diaphragms when strung out, none of the modifications are visible during normal operations.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I also have one question though: How do one get these roofs off without damaging anything in order to detail the insides of the coaches?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Regards</div><div>Xander van Breda</div></div><div class="yiv1878294650gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5780"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv1878294650yqt8738227912" id="yiv1878294650yqt27934"><div class="yiv1878294650gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5779">On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Jim Griffin <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:drgwlpd@yahoo.c..." target="_blank" href="mailto:drgwlpd@yahoo.c...">drgwlpd@yahoo.c...</a> [DRGW] <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:DRGW@yahoogroups.c..." target="_blank" href="mailto:DRGW@yahoogroups.c...">DRGW@yahoogroups.c...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv1878294650gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496088203386_5778">




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<div></div><div id="yiv1878294650m_3372003331835083855yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495461018910_13427">Steve,</div><div id="yiv1878294650m_3372003331835083855yiv2972328734AppleMailSignature">&nbsp; Are you aware of the walthers C&amp;O lounge that the D&amp;GRW bought, Castle Gate?&nbsp; It is walthers <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica;" href="">920-9365</a>, however it is out of stock, you might find it somewhere, you would have to paint it.&nbsp; I will try to post a photo.</div><div id="yiv1878294650m_3372003331835083855yiv2972328734AppleMailSignature">Jim Petro</div><div id="yiv1878294650m_3372003331835083855yiv2972328734AppleMailSignature">Reno<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div>


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